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Jane: I'm not religious and I'm not spiritual. I garden.
Friend: No, but you're really spiritual. Gardening is your practice.
Jane: No, I'm really not all that spiritual. Let me define myself. I believe in God but not in a religious way. What's important to me is life.
Friend: So you have a secular approach to God?
Jane: Yes, that's right.
Jane: I'm not religious and I'm not spiritual. I garden.
Friend: No, but you're really spiritual. Gardening is your practice.
Jane: No, I'm really not all that spiritual. Let me define myself. I believe in God but not in a religious way. What's important to me is life.
Friend: So you have a secular approach to God?
Jane: Yes, that's right.